My Continued Battles with Right Wing Commentors

So, now, you can see that, Yes I do have an obsession with this. Hopefully I can get help. Back story for this long comment. This commentor, notsofast, has an avatar that is Phil Spector in that ridiculous afro wig he wore in court. This is part of an argument where notsofast continues to call me a lib and liar. I have since changed my tactic where I have been giving him better examples of how he could insult me, but alas, I don't think he's picked on the fact that I'm making fun of him. He decided to welcome me into the folds of the Mediaite community with another nasty comment about me. This is my response:

notsofast said:
Folks, I want to introduce you to the latest lying liberal shill for BHO, Permatiltx

The other day, I commented on the tired, worn out practice of libs always coming on Mediaite to repeat their lame excuses for FOX being #1 in cable news while MSNBC still staggers way behind like a sick puppy ( see cobra above.)

Permatiltx said:

I see a lot of the no one watches FOX news here being said by libs thing. I would like some links to it. Not saying it doesn’t happen, but this is the first time I’ve read that Libs are saying it.

notsofast said:

Ask the Royal King-
King, tell him how many watch FOX.

Permatiltx said:

So, one guy says it, means all libs say it? I’m confused

notsofast said:

Wrong!
Mediaite weekly shows cable ratings and on that post many libs chime in with “only 0.3%” of the population watches FOX. ” America’s Got Talent ” has more viewers than FOX”, etc.

Permatiltx said:

You told me one guy said it. That’s what you said, and I’m just quoting you from before.”

notsofast said:

See, ya lied, child.
Flat out lied!
I never said “one” said that. I said many.
So kindly STFU!”

Actually, you didn’t say “one” that is true. But you didn’t say many until after I raised that question. Again, you “jumped to conclusions” similar to the way MSNBC jumped to conclusion about FOX being responsible for the Sherrod incident (I don’t think FOX was responsible. I don’t know if I ever did. But I do believe that the left did jump the gun on this one). I asked for a link about the libs saying that. Most people agree that FOX News is tops in ratings for cable news commentary channels. I agree with that statement. I was curious who was saying it and where. A reasonable request. Your response: Ask the Royal King-
King, tell him how many watch FOX. Um, to help your 182 IQ with math and wording, that’s one guy. You answered my question with one guy. Now, I’m looking at a logical and rational response to that with. Wait, one guy? Your response was instantly an attack. Attack tactics in debate show a person who is not basing his opinions on solid ground. That is a theory are argument techniques. You attack because you are worried about your backing. I haven’t really gone on the attack at this point. I was making a logical assessment from what you wrote. So, I never lied about that. Questions don’t equal lies. We question to figure things out. However, you called me a liar. And you were wrong on that account. We can argue semantics all day, but I’m backing up that I didn’t lie about that.

notsofast said:See the lying Permatiltx was trying to argue that libs don’t in fact come here and repeat their worn out excuses, trying to disparage FOX.

Is that really what you took from my argument? Cause I never argued that. See above of how I didn’t make that my point. Most libs that I have seen in other message boards have argued the ratings don’t equal quality argument, also the FOX wins in the ratings because their audience is older and tends to turn to television for their news as opposed to the internet. Liberals do tend to skew younger and therefore will use other forms of media. I’ve heard this argument. I’m new here, and that was the first time I had heard libs saying that people don’t watch FOX. I was just curious. Again, didn’t deserve the attack. And there, I did not lie. It seems that notsfast doesn’t like curiosity? (Of course, this isn’t true, I’m just using similar fallacies in your argument to instantly jump to that conclusion.)

notsofastAnd now look at Permatilx- his wretched ass is now arguing the same trash that I said libs do.

“Ratings don’t equal quality.”

Actually, that’s the same “trash” that debate scholars will argue is a logical fallacy. The “tons of people can’t be wrong” argument would get thrown out of any debate competition in any school. I did use examples, and not just entertainment, but also the approval of Hitler during WWII. But since we’re talking about race, let’s go back to slavery and see the amount of people who participated in the act that we now see as an unjust practice. Again, most thought it was a perfectly fine practice. Did that mean it was right? Now, I’m not comparing FOX to slavery or Hitler. But my point and it’s the backing of why this is a fallacy is that “10 million Elvis fans can be wrong.” And yes, I can make entertainment comparisons because Beck will state himself a rodeo clown and entertainer first, political stalwart second. Again, Beck has said this. Murdoch and Ailes both say they are interested in ratings. Thus, the entertainment comparisons can technically be justified.

notsofast said:He then regurgitates the worn-out lib talking points of comparing entertainment/movies to the ratings of a cable news network.

Sorry, child, that has been tried many times before. Try something original for a change. And you won’t compare comparables to comparables, such as FOX to CNN or MSNBC, unless he then follow ssuch a comparison with misrepresentations or an outright lie.

Now, first off, the “sorry, child” act is getting pretty old. We are having a lively debate and discussion, but perhaps due to self esteem issues, you have to belittle those with differing opinions. I’m not sure. But it shows a complete lack of maturity. Now, I have seen people of differing opinion to my own argue with me without the name calling or the irrational fear that seems to permeate from your comments. Whether you’re right or not, you’re a pretty shitty debater. Sorry for the language, but it seems that it helps you understand a little bit better where I’m coming from.

notsofast said:“Maddow is also not a ratings disaster. She doesn’t have Bill O’s numbers, but she does still do pretty solidly among the other news commentary shows.”

Categorized | Cable News Daily Ratings
Cable News Ratings for Wednesday, July 21, 2010

Posted on 22 July 2010 by Robert Seidman
O’Reilly rerun ratings at 11PM.

11 PM P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
The O’Reilly Factor– 1,683,000 viewers (656,000) (970,000)

Maddow ratings Live at 9:00PM

9 PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Rachel Maddow Show —976,000 viewers (245,000) (492,000)

LMAO
And your big lie, child!

When compared to CNN, that’s not really a ratings disaster. It does remarkably hold water with the young don’t use television as their main source of news commentary. Look at the low numbers for both groups. Again, she’s not doing as well as Bill O’Reilly. And she would love to be doing as well as Bill. Who wouldn’t. But I’m not seeing a “disaster.” (Homeboys in Space, now that was a ratings disaster). Of course, this will help you better if I say In My Opinion. I don’t know if that helps or not. I hope it does. I’m not lying. The concept of what is a ratings disaster could be considered opinion. I didn’t say you lied by saying it was. Now, opinions aren’t facts. Calling it a ratings disaster is not a fact. It’s an opinion. Now we are comparing again. The funny thing is that Bill O’ was more in the right over the Sherrod thing than Maddow. FOX didn’t need to take the blame. They were not directly responsible. And I feel that is true. However, when Bill O’ took the “We’re beating you in the ratings” approach, he, unfortunately lost the argument. I don’t dislike Bill. We don’t have similar opinions, sure. But his debating style fell into supreme question on this one. He had the upper hand and he lost it. And Maddow’s rebuttal was very well organized and structured. I’m sorry. Bill had it, and then he slipped up.

notsofast said:“Also, Morning Joe regularly beats Fox and Friends. Therefore, Morning Joe is better than Fox and Friends?”

Cable News Ratings for Wednesday, July 21, 2010

Morning programs (6:00AM-9:00AM) P2+ (25-54) (35-64)

FOX & Friends- 997,000 viewers (305,000) (549,000)

Morning Joe- 368,000 viewers (121,000) (170,000)

Mr. 146- you are nothing but the everyday run -of-the- mill lying lib.

Again, everyone, welcome Permatiltx to Mediaite, but remember- he is just another lying lib!!!

This one I will admit I’m embarrassed about. I read an article about Morning Joe overtaking American Morning. The same article discussed the ratings lag that occurred with FOX and Friends. I jumped the gun, read the facts wrong, and yes, it came out as a lie. I apologize for that and recant. I make mistakes. Yes, I will throw out a fallacy as well in my arguments. Not perfect. So, let’s call it a lie, a mistake, a misreading of the facts as I researched for rebuttals. Again, I’m sorry.

Now, calling me a lib. You’ve done this several times now. You also said I’m here to be a shill for BHO (I assume that’s Barack Obama and not a dyslexic version of Home Box Office, which is a pretty good channel). Well, actually, I think he and the White House were wrong in this case. I’m a pretty piss poor shill then, don’t you think. Look, I’m against ideology. It was one of the main reasons I now register as an independent instead of Democrat. I can’t say ideology is hurting this country in one hand and then stay true to an ideology. I’m moving away from labels such as lib and con. I do consider myself more of a progressive, sure. But that’s because my beliefs are based on my heart and my soul, not on what a bunch of higher ups tell me is my party line. I don’t buy into all the Dems ideas, just like you shouldn’t buy into all the Reps ideas. We don’t use our hearts and minds to make educated guesses any more. That’s a sad thing that is happening to this country. And you know what, I will continue to head into message boards and spread my views on what we as human beings (not libs or cons, Dems or Reps) should be considering when we head to the polls. Maybe it will keep the country (which I love so please don’t attack me for a lack of patriotism, it will only hurt your arguments more) from being split apart. I don’t want to insult you or lower myself to name calling and mudslinging, but it seems that these are the absolutes that you understand best. I mean, it makes sense when you look at it. You chose a convicted murderer as your avatar.

End of post:

After I wrote this diatribe, this was his response.

Permatiltx said:
You chose a convicted murderer as your avatar.

He is also a lib like you, liar!

He's not very good at this.